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July 19, 2006

Why your forum is dead

by Andrew

Forums are hot internet properties this year, largely thanks to Jeremy Schoemaker and Lee Dodd showing just how profitable they can be. Unfortunately they are also very tricky to start, maintain, and grow — and most barely make it past the starting line.

I have started a grand total of 3 forums. The first is still up, and hardly gets any use at all. The second went up on a larger site than the first, but I couldn’t get anyone to use it. The third is live and has a very active niche community of around 5,000 users after 7 months.

Based off of what I have done, and what I have seen others do, here is how the typical “newbie” starts a forum:

- Uses lots of catagories and sections
- Hires paid posters or creates alternate nicks and talks to him/herself
- The forum is the entire site, or..
- The forum is a tiny “forum” link buried on a navigation bar
- Expects real visitors to start showing up once there is enough content to pull in SE traffic

These are all mistakes. When and if your visitors do stumble upon your forum few will register because the corrects functions are vacant. Your web site is a machine, if its set up wrong visitors will not convert into registered users — this is not magic.

Follow the “newbie” steps, and you aren’t going very far — at least for a while. Be prepared to wait 12 months or more before you see any real activity. Instead try these steps.

- Set up the forum with 5 sections max.

- Configure your forum to show a message to unregistered users asking them to join.

- E-mail two or three contacts within the niche and invite them to join and make a few posts.

- Send real targetted traffic to the forum. If its PPC its going to be expensive. Find blogs and other niche sites that will link to you. If you need to run a contest or do something noteworthy, do it.

- Most importantly, have a content site in your forum’s niche that you can direct traffic to indefinately. If you can’t do this, find another site(s) that can.

If you have the traffic, there is no reason you can’t set up a forum in an already flooded niche. Typically dominant players will have dissatisfied users.

Years of age result in a growing bureaucracy of rules which put many people off. Forum owners get lazy/complacant/afraid of change and their sites starts to look like a museum (yes, I do mean WMW.)

I believe that some people create rules and limitations in their head simply because they are so used to following the paths of others. For example, there is no reason you can’t start up multiple forums in the same niche, check out TanTalk and IamTan.com. Look similar? Check is out with a whois, it is the same.

Judging by the 80/20 rule it would appear that starting a forum is the hard part. Based on experience, its just the beginning of a very big journey.

9 Comments »

  1. Very nice post Andrew and thanks for the mention!

    Comment by Lee Dodd — July 19, 2006 @ 7:51 am

  2. Great post. I added a forum to a new site (yet to draw traffic) and am looking for ways to prompt people to post. I’m printing off your post and I’ll go from there!

    Comment by chris — July 19, 2006 @ 8:21 am

  3. Lee, yes, but how exactly does “Jeremy Schoemaker” add to the conversation? I understand he’s at the top of the game with things like PPC and Azoogle, but I didn’t think he owned any popular forums.

    BTW, there’s no single recipe for starting a successful forum. For every person I’ve talked to who’s founded a successful forum, there’s a different story. What works for Lee, for example, might not work for someone else.

    Comment by Peter — July 19, 2006 @ 11:21 am

  4. Peter, read this post, this is what made me realise it was worth my time taking starting a forum very seriously:
    http://www.shoemoney.com/2005/05/14/5-ways-to-generate-revenue-for-your-website/

    Comment by Andrew — July 19, 2006 @ 11:42 am

  5. Sure, that’s useful information, but I don’t see how it connects to forums, other than forums being a type of website.

    Comment by Peter — July 19, 2006 @ 7:01 pm

  6. Subscriptions? I could be wrong, but I don’t think Shoemoney is running porn sites. He’s also spoken at length on his radio show about using forum members to drive backlinks.

    Comment by Andrew — July 19, 2006 @ 10:47 pm

  7. I always assumed the forums Shoemoney was talking about in that post was ringtones or cellphone related and to have 50,000 premium members at $19.95/6 months subscription soon adds up.

    Peter: the Shoemoney link is about how he monetizes his forums, what’s hard to see about how it relates to forums?

    Comment by Hylo — July 20, 2006 @ 9:03 am

  8. Nice post Andrew! I’ve got a couple forum ideas and I think this will help lift them off the ground. I guess time will tell.

    thanks

    Comment by Deron — July 20, 2006 @ 9:44 pm

  9. Really glad i chanced upon this site. It has been eye-opening. I’ve recently started this site (1mth ago) and now average only abt 40-50 visits per day. I plan to eventually incorporate a forum, shld i do it now? Or shld i wait? Until when? Really quite lost as to how to get the ball rolling with a forum as it seems like a potential vicious cycle of not getting members, and looking desolate, which drives others away. Tks.

    Comment by James — January 17, 2007 @ 5:03 am

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